The Turners of Turner Hill
"John E. and Julia E. Turner History and Legacy"
Information submitted by:
James Turner Harris &
Terry Tullock
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Hilltop - The Turner Family Farm |
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The Information Below Was Submitted By: James Turner Harris |
From: James Turner Harris - My mother, Marian "Roberta" Turner (1917-1984) was born on "Turner
Hill" in the family farm that my family The farm passed out of the family circa 1974 when my aunt and uncle
retired to Florida and it went through a
I am related to the "Turner's" of Belgrade State Bank and
"Turner Chevrolet" that is or was in Flat River (Park Hills).
The connection is on my maternal TURNER side and dates back to
my great, great, great grandfather - Daniel Turner (1789-1854)
where I descend from John Prior Turner (1812-1875)) and they
descend from William Turner (1813-circa 1869) even though they
were once stopped at one of his son's Theophilus Bradford Turner
(1838-1863). I don't know if they have found the information
that I have found connecting the two Turner lines or not. All
when I was growing up, it was said that both Turner families in
Belgrade were not related but information became available after
2003 to correct that misinformation.
Bye the way, there is a small write up on my Turner grandparents
in the "Bellevue Valley Book" on p. 819 /820. It was written by
cousins and I have now take up the research and have added more,
deleted some and corrected some information about my TURNER /
TURNER heritage.
At an auction at my cousin's circa 2004, (Fairy Mae Tullock Gilliam widow of Earl Gilliam) I was able to purchase my Turner grandparents hand carved rocking chair (by my grandfather) that dates to 1895 and all the Turner kids (16 total - 8 boys and 8 girls) were rocked on. It was given to Fairy Mae by my aunt and uncle circa 1976 - Cassie Corine Turner Hockinghome and Harry Hockinghomer who lived on "Turner Hill" until they move to Florida circa 1976.
I have researched John Edward Turner (1863-1931) all the way
back to Cocke Co., Tn. and his grandfather...John
(1805-11/1/1870) Turner and wife and all 6 kids. I worked
from my late cousins information and now have the entire
story back to 1840...took me 7 years but I did it.
I have traced John Edward's wife - Julia Elizabeth Turner,
Turner (1874-1941) line back to Daniel Turner being in
McMinn Co., Tn. in 1830. There is so conflicting views as to
how Benjamin (1769) and Daniel (1789) Turner relate but the
census shows that they both were in Washington Co., Mo. by
1840. I have a pretty complete record from there forward.
I have just about 100% of the information on all of the 16
Turner kids (8 boys and 8 girls) but I did not go into their
offspring at all. I would gladly share and trade information
if desired.
Just in passing, I was at the estate sale at Fairy Mae's -
2004? and bought quite a few items. The most important one
and most historical one was the "Turner rocking chair that
dates back to 1895." If Terry was there and
remembers.......I was wearing a "Mizzou" jersey and just
about the only non-local. I was there with Bertha Lou Dennis
Akers and her late sister Jessie Dennis Jarvis.
I also have a scanned image of the Turner family when Earl
and Ora got married 1/11/1913 that if Terry does not have it
I could send it to him via e-mail. I have a 1906 Turner
photo and several others dating back that far as well as the
family photo taken at John Edward's funeral in 1931 and I
believe that is the last time all the Turners were
photographed together.
you have to go to about the middle of the large dark spot......if you can imagine a "?" almost laying horizontal........China Hill would be about in the middle of the loop of the "?". Too far to the right (east) is a "dark vertical line" (coming from the toop to the bottom - from north to south) & this is the "fence row" at the edge of the property at that location. As I remember there was about 110 acres & roughly the land goes from a little below where the red arrow "^" is below the photo.....there is a creek down there.....it goes up the "white line" (now called Pierce Rd.) & makes a right turn......looks like a laying down "L" to the right.....& the road goes to the right (east) in sort of a "" _|'''' " shape down past the "Pierce Farm" to Mo. Co. "BB" Highway. The right edge (east) of the photo is close to the east boundary. I know that China Hill is almost at the edge of the property.
Esther,
Just for your
information. There were two Turner familys
living in Belgrade, Mo. during the period that
my mother grew up. I was told they thought they
were not related but investigation in the 2000s
show that they were indeed related. I am not
sure how many people know that fact. I mention
it because you have titled the web pager "Turner
Family Of Washington, Co., Mo." and to me that
is fine but the information that Terry and I
would provide you would probably be of the John
Edward (1863-1931) Turner and Julia Elizabeth
Turner, Turner (1874-1941) family. I will let
you make the call.
Just to clear it up ...
John Edward (1863-1931) Turner was born in Cocke
Co., Tn. and moved to Washington Co., Mo. circa
1882 according to my research but family
tradition says it was circa 1879 but I can
disprove that.
John Edward's 2nd wife -
Julia Elizabeth (1874-1941) Turner, Turner
descends from a line of Turner's from at least
S.C. and were in McMinn Co., Tn. in 1830 but in
Washington Co., Mo. by 1840. I will diagram this
line to show the relationship of the two
Belgrade / Caledonia Turner familys that I am
researching.
Daniel Turner (1789 - S.C. & circa 8/7/1854 - Wash. Co., Mo.) Elizabeth "Betsy" Hill / Hillen (1791 - N.C. & circa 1860 /1870 - Wash. Co., Mo
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John Pryror Turner
William Turner
(1812 - Tn.
& abt. 12/1875 - W.Co., Mo.)
(1813 - Tn. & abt.
2/2/1869 - Newton Co., Mo.)
Emily Emma Todd Margaret
Mitchell
(12/13/1817 - 4/18/1895 - b. & d. in Mo.)
(1815 - Tn. &
bef. 1854 in Perry Co., Ill.)
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Richard Todd Turner Sr. Theophilus
Bradford Turner
(4/9/1842 - Crawford Co., Mo & (1838
- Perry Co., Ill. & 3/22/1863 - Jackson Co.,
Mo.)
9/10/1917 - Washington Co.,
Mo.)
&
Lucinda Francis Belfield (6/2/1852
in Nancy Emily
Cole (12/13/1837 & 4/18/1895 b. & d.
Jeff. Co.,
Ky. & d. 11/11/1923 in Wash. Co.,
Mo.)
Washington Co., Mo.
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Julia
Elizabeth Turner (5/20/1873 - Crawford Co.,
William Watson Turner
(6/20/1859 & 3/8/1940 b.
Mo. & 5/4/1941 - Wash. Co.,
Mo.) &
d. Washington Co., Mo.)
John
Edward Turner (10/15/1863 - Cocke Co., Tn.
Sarah Jane Johnson
(11/16/1864 - 6/15/1956 b.
&
10/23/1931 - Washington Co.,
Mo.)
& d. Washington Co., Mo.)
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8 boys and 8 girls
Henry Edgar (1887),
Margaret Grace (1889) & Charles Grant (1891)
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oldest child b. 1/12/1891 Merlyn
Edgar Turner (4/14/1910 & 1/4/1982 - b. & d.
Wash. Co., Mo.)
and
youngest child b. 3/20/1917
note: Henry Edgar's marriage was to:
and they are
buried
Sunlight Cemetery,
Washington County, MO
note: Merlyn Edgar's marriage was to:
Belgrade Methodist Cemetery, Washington County,
MO
Note: Belgrade Methodist
is where Terry's grandparents - Samuel "Earl"
Tullock and Ora Estella Turner Tullock - are
buried.
As I was told by my
mother, Marian "Roberta" Turner Harris - the
youngest child of John and Julia Elizabeth -
Henry Edgar Turner
(1887-1920) was sort of the forerunner of the
Belgrade State Bank group. It was taken over by
Merlyn Edgar Turner (1910-1982) and you probably
know the rest of the story. My Turner line was
not as famous as the descendents of William
(1813) Turner but still our lineage can be
traced back to McMinn & Roane Co., Tn. to Daniel
(1789) Turner and "Betsy Hill / Hillen (1791)
Turner.
So I am not sure how you want to address that
issue or even if you want to address it. Please
forgive me if I have made any errors in
transcription. I have all the information in FTM
(Family Tree Maker) and I just copied it over.
This was not meant to be 100% factual per se. I
tried to be as accurate as possible though.
Jim
Daniel (1789) Turner the known patriarch of my mother's mother's line served with the 5th East Tn. Vol. in the War of 1812 and got 80 acres in Wash. Co., Mo. for his efforts. That is why he must have came to Mo. |
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| This is the last known photo of John Edward Turner (1863-1931) and all 8 of his sons known. I base the date on that the little boy was born in 1922. No picture exists of the entire family. The closest I have was taken at grandpa Turner's funeral in 1931 and all the 16 kids, spouses etc. were there. I have one of that family and one of all the boys by themselves and that is the last known photo of all eight boys together. The boy may be 3 and then it would be circa 1925...I am not going to split hairs. I had Harold R. Turner's age incorrect in the original e-mail...I had him being b. in 1900 and it should have been 1920. Now corrected.......NOTE: I REALLY THANK THAT MY GRANDPA TURNER'S MIDDLE NAME WAS EDGAR (NOTE AARON AND NO EDWARDS WERE EVER USED - THE STORY FROM MY MOM AND COUSIN IS THAT GRANDMA TURNER NEVER LIKED EDGAR AND WISHED IT WAS EDWARD SO WHEN GRANDPA DIED MY AUNT CASSIE CORENE TURNER HOCKINGHOMER TOOK OVER AND HAD THE DEATH CERTIFICATE AND OBITUARY TO READ "EDWARD" NOT "EDGAR." OF COURSE THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE SO IT WILL REMAIN UNKNOWN AND WHAT IS WRITTEN STANDS AS GOSPEL. |
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John E. Turner's Funeral
(10/15/1863-10/23/1931) - This is the absolute last photo known
of all 8 Turner boys together. From left to right: 1.
Aaron Edgar Turner (1905-1955) 2. Romas Garfield Turner
(1901 1964) 3. Corbett Hannah Turner Sr. (1903-1971) 4. William
Franklin Turner (1911-1983) 5. Johnathan Robert Turner
(1898-1965) "TWIN" 6. Russell Clarence Tuner Sr. (1907-1986) 7.
Virgil Ray Turner Sr. (1915-1985) 8. John Richard Turner
(1898-1969) "TWIN" - The photo I scanned from came from my
1st cousin, Marian Kay Dean Howarth, so I owe thanks to her for
this one and the one I will send of the entire family at
grandpa's funeral.
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The family of John Edward Turner and Julia Elizabeth
"Turner" Turner was all together for the funeral of John
Edward Turner but never ever again even for the death of
Julia Elizabeth in 1941. This photo is also compliments of
my favorite 1st cousin, Marian Kay Dean Howarth. We just
talked on the phone and the following is our best guess as
to who each person is. There are a couple of questions marks
and her and I agreed to disagree on which twin is in which
place..not important really. I think we are "at least in the
90th percentile in accuracy. If I did this right, there
should be 1 red line (grandma
Turner), 8
"pink" ones (the girls) and
8 "blue" ones the boys.
One note - I rearranged "Bob" or
Johnathan Robert to Robert Johnathan Turner based on his WWI
draft registration.
My and my cousin Marian's best guess as to whom
everybody is in the photo:
From left to right:
1. Romas Garfield Turner
(1901-1964) - Mae Gronholt /
Gronhalt & "Kaye"
2. Aaron Edgar Turner
(1905-1955) - Gladys Carrie
Stevens
3. Ora
Estella Turner Tullock (1895-1989) - Samuel Earl
Tullock
4. Lottie Jane Turner Mallow
(1891-1939) - DIVORCED PRIOR TO 1930 FROM GEORGE V.
MALLOW
5. Julia Elizabeth "Turner"
Turner (1873-1941) - NOTE: THIS IS MY GRANDMOTHER
6. Edythe Lee Turner Bean
(1897-1971) - Charles
Emmett Bean
7. Juanita Lucille Turner Dean
(1912-1975) - Marvin Ellis Dean
8. Marian Roberta Turner
Harris (1917-1984) - NOTE: THIS IS MY MOTHER
(James Henry Harris)
9. Corbett Hannah Turner Sr.
(1903-1971) - Dora Jane Tiefenauer
10. Fairy Louise Turner Hoeferlin
(1910-1993) - Gilbert
Hoeferlin
11. William Franklin Turner
(1911-1983)-PARTIALLY HIDDEN -
NEVER MARRIED - BACHELOR
12. Jessie Ellen Turner
Molique (1892-1972) -
George A. Molique
13. Robert Johnathan Turner
(1898-1965)-NOTE: A TWIN - Alta
Marie Matthews
14. Russell Clarence Turner
Sr. (1907-1986) - Ruby Faye
Petersen - ALIVE IN 2006 - ONLY ONE LEFT!!!
15. Virgil Ray Turner
(1915-1985)-NOTE: FACE IS ALMOST BLACKED OUT
- Dorothy E. Ives
16. John Richard Turner
(1898-1969)-NOTE: A TWIN -
Beulah Estella Butler
17. Cassie Corene Turner Hockinghomer (1900-1991)
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I am not sure what this is all about but it
appears that after grandma Julia Elizabeth Turner, Turner passed
away....by 1947 there was some legal problems. Why Ora Turner
Tullock and Earl Tullock would be suing Ora's kin...I have no
idea. I do know that 1947 is about the time that Cassie Turner
Hockinghomer and husband Harry Hockinghome bought Hilltop.
To me of interest is the mention that Joshua
Calfee buying part of the land circa 8/1885 and that to me dates
when John Edward Turner came with Josh Calfee or Cafee (or
shortly before) to Washington Co., Mo. My guess is that John
Edward bought some land from Josh when he married Laura Jenkins
in 1889.
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John Edward Turner's death certificate -
If you notice, he mentions his father was "John Turner" and his
mother "is unknown." I think the reason is that after John E.
(1838-1864) died his mother Priscilla Fox Turner married Rufus
Crumly and John Edward Turner was on his own by the time he was
a teen ager because she died circa 1865 / 1866 and Rufus
remarried and moved to Maury Co., Tn. (where Absalom Fox
Turner and Amanda Buckner moved to) and left Robert (1862) and
John Edward (1863-1931) Turner in Cocke Co., Tn. for reasons
unknown....
It is not know why John Edward did not
know much about his mother. Family tradition says that "he said
he was orphaned." Well that does not appear to be the case based
on my research but some thing is amiss and probably will never
be known.
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Death Certificate for John Edward Turner
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Note: addition or correction in
red by me..........
note: John Wesley Jenkins was a
son of David Beam Jenkins who married Angeline Turner who my
Turner's believe was a daughter of Daniel (1789) Turner the
great, great grandpa to my Julia Elizabeth Turner (1874) but my
research in the 2000s suggest that she was a daughter of
Benjamin (1769) Turner who came to Wash. Co., Mo. at the same
time as Danile (1789) Turner. My Turner's believe Benjamin was
Daniels father but recent DNA testing and research by others
suggest not. I am of the opinion that Ben was an older brother
of Dan or maybe an older cousin or even an uncle. No
information that I am aware of links them together but I and my
friends keep searching to find that relationship if there is
one.
Also, John Wesley Jenkins married
circa 1860 Celia or Cecelia or Cellie A. Smith who supposedly
was b. in Potosi, Mo. They had about 10 children and Laura E.
(Elizabeth ?) Jenkins was the 4th oldest of the children.
Marriage of John Edward Turner to
Laura E. Jenkins - 12/19/1889
Bennett Bryan Cemetery, Washington
County, MO
Marriage of John Edward Turner
to Julia Elizabeth Turner - 4/4/1895
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MY BEST GUESS IS THE FOLLOWING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT:
In the first row:
Samuel Earl Tullock (11/25/1892-1/2/1986), Ora Estella
Turner "Tullock" (11/29/1895-9/4/1989), John Edward Turner
(10/15/1863-10/23/1931), with William Franklin Turner
(4/11/1911-11/8/1983) on his father's lap, Fairy Louise Turner "Hoeferlin"
(2/5/1910-12/20/1993) standing with doll in her arms, Julia
Elizabeth Turner "Turner" (5/20/1873-5/4/1941) with Juanita
Lucille Turner "Dean" (10/15/1912-7/28/1975) sitting on her
mother's lap, Russell Clarence Turner Sr. (3/2/1907-12/6/1986).
Second row:
Corbet Hannah Turner Sr. (8/15/1903-4/22/1971), Romas
Garfield Turner (12/25/1901-4/19/1964), Aaron Edgar Turner
(11/26/1905-3/18/1955).
Third row:
Robert Johnathan Turner ( 3/9/1898-9/3/1965 a twin),
Cassie Corrine Turner "Hockinghomer" (5/19/1900-3/14/1991),
Edythe Lee Turner "Bean" (2/24/1897-9/2/1971), John Richard
Turner (3/9/1898-10/23/1969 a twin), Lottie Jane Turner "Mallow"
(11/12/1891-10/14/1939 - note: she was the only child of
John Edward Turner and Laura E. Jenkins "Turner" in John's 1st
marriage), Jessie Ellen Turner "Molique"
(5/12/1892-5/30/1972).
THE BOYS ROMAS, CORBET, AARON AND
RUSSELL CREATE A PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE CLOSENESS OF AGES.
10. (not sure but it may be Alta
Marie Matthews Turner the wife of John Richard
Turner or one of Ora Estella
Turner Tullock's daughters)
11. Dorothy E. Ives Turner (wife of
Virgil Ray Turner Sr.) - I am not 100% positive
of this one. She looks like
aunt Dorothy but I never saw them very much and the
last time was probably in the
1970s.
note: #10 and #11 could be Ruby
Lucille Tullock Shatley (?) or possibly Elanore Aileen
Tullock Miller (?) both daughters of Ora Estella Turner
Tullock. I never saw them that much and have no idea what
they look like. I do know that neither one is Thelma Frances
Tullock Cordia. "Frances and Julius" Cordia ... I met quite
a few times and talked with them a lot especially Julius.
12. Virgil Ray Turner
Sr.
13. Juanita Lucille
Turner Dean
14. William Franklin
Turner
note:
Lottie Jane Turner
Turner died 10/14/1939
appear to be missing:
Jessie Ellen Turner
Molique
Edythe Lee Turner
Bean
note: It is possible that #10 is
Jessie Ellen Turner Molique and #11 is Edythe Lee Turner
Bean. I knew aunt Jessie in her later years and to me she
did not look like that and aunt Edythe I only saw a few
times and they were both the same age as aunt Ora and #10
and #11 look too young to be either one of them but I am not
positive. This is my best educated guess as of today.
I am positive of everybody except #10 and #11.
Jim
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Info Below Submitted By: Terry Tullock |
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from James Turner Harris) - John Edward Turner came to Missouri
when he was very young (14-15). His father was killed in the
Civil War as was his uncle Robert. It is thought that he came
from Leadville to work in the lead mines in Bellevue area. The
territory had just opened up, the U.S. having bought it for $15
Million. Many Land Grants had already been given by the
Spanish as well as U.S. to special persons. These were all
honored & kept. Land was cheap & jobs were plentiful which
enticed whole groups of families from North Carolina, Virginia,
Kentucky & Tennessee. Lead, zinc, & tiff mines were starting,
lumbering & stock farms like Buford's were all doing well. There is a story told by Virgil's wife's family that John Edward was seen coming into the area sitting on the back of Joshua Caffee's wagon & that he was "mighty good lookin". He was supposed to have lived & worked for Joshua Caffee who had a log cabin with a dirt floor. Joshua Caffee came to Missouri as he was avoiding the law in Tennessee. He had been caught bootlegging & had to leave in a hurry. Later Joshua Caffee owed John Edward $100 or $150 & deeded the Clear Creek field of 40 acres to John Edw. in a land abstract. This was known as the Old Highly place above Pierce's. There is a remembered story that John Edw. told of himself . He returned to his home in Tennessee when he was 18 years old & as he was walking across Eads Bridge [St. Louis], his brand new hat blew off into the water below. John Edw. was 30 years old when his first wife died & left a two year old daughter to care for. He met Julia Elizabeth when they were both working the stock farms near Belgrade. She was 21 years old & pregnant. There was 10 years age difference. They married & raised both girls same as the rest. John Edw. was 31 years old before he started his family with Julia. He was 56 when his last child was born. John Edw. was a rather quiet shy man in his later years. His dark brown eyes still danced when he enjoyed something or someone. He helped haul lumber for the Pleasant Grove Baptist Church to be built. He was the Sunday School Superintendent. John Edward's appearance when he was young was rather dark complexion, black curly hair, real dark brown eyes & a slim build, tall in comparison to most other men of that time. 5' 10". He was thought to have French & Indian heritage. His grandmother was said to be a full blooded Cherokee Indian. The French & Indian was no doubt his mother. When he had had the twins he & Julia bought a farm from Julia's brother James William [Turner] & his wife Elsie (Robinson) near Belgrade for $400. This was on top of a hill later named Turner Mountain on the Missouri maps. This farm as remembered was well set back off the road & they built a low wall of "cave" rock that everyone brought in from the creeks or river beds near there. Through the gate & across broad grassy yard, under a huge walnut tree & into a screened front porch. Through the door & into a big kitchen that was where all the family sat & did evening chores & children studied till bedtime. There was a door to the left off the porch that led to a small parlor where there was a printed rug & leather sofa & chair & a pump organ against the wall. Only the minister was invited in there. In the kitchen was a big stove for heating & chairs from the table were gathered around the walls for the children or neighbors to sit & talk when work was done. Across from the stove was a big long table, much like a picnic table with benches not attached. Still further across the kitchen was the back entrance & the pantry where Julia kept her dishes & pots & pans. A sink on spindly legs & a slop bucket beneath it. Going back to the small hallway was another door to the parlor & an entrance to the narrow steep steps to the upstairs. Upstairs were wood frames of beds with straw mattresses for as many children that were home at the time. Some were gone before the others were born. A sheet hung from the ceiling separated the boys from the girls. Downstairs again across from the parlor was a bedroom, just big enough for a small double bed & a chifferobe, room just enough to walk around the bed. Outside the back entrance were small sheds, one with a cellar to separate the milk, cool it & a churn to make butter. Here were pickle barrels & crocks of all sizes, hood to hang meat, places to put vegetables in dirt to keep as long as possible through the winters. There were bags of flour & bags of sugar & jars & jars for canning. Back of these sheds closer to the house was the outhouse - the bathroom a deep hole with a shed over it & a place to sit over the hole. There was a lime sack to shovel a bit of lime over the accumulation now & then to destroy as much as possible & when the hole was filled they dug another hole & moved the "outhouse". Back of the outhouse was the orchard. Peach, apple, plum & pear trees. Still another section close to the house was a big garden that John Edw. tilled for Julia to raise all the vegetables with the help of the children. Then there was the well on the side yard. A wooden platform around a raised wall that protected the hole from animals or children falling into it. There was a wooden bucket tied to a long rope thrown over a rod built over the well so that when the bucket was lowered or raised it wouldn't damage the sides of the hole. The platform was to keep feet dry & the area clean & no dirt fall into the hole. Later there was a pump that brought the water up instead of the bucket. Out another gate was another area to the chicken coop & the pig sty. A larger shed was John Edwards blacksmith shop where there was an array of tools: tongs, hammers, vices, horse shoes & strap iron. There was a big fire pit & bellows to blow the flames hot. He was an accomplished blacksmith. Down the hill was the cow barn & a place to store big machinery. A barn to store hay & horses & sheep & cows. John Edw. was up by 4:00 a.m. & out to the barns to feed the animals before coming back to the house for breakfast. About 6:00 a.m. After breakfast he went out again to turn the cattle out to the fields, plant or reap his grain, work in the blacksmith shed. In earlier times before his sons were old enough, he would hunt deer, rabbit, squirrel, turkey, quail - whatever was edible to supplement the family need for food. There were also predators to get rid of such as cougar, mountain lion, hawks, rattlesnakes, anything that would endanger the livestock or children. A dinner anvil (a piece of iron in shape of a triangle) was struck to call him & his sons in from the fields for dinner. This was the big meal of the day. Then it was out again to bed the animals down for the night & make everything safe till morning again as well as getting in crops. Sometimes he went to help his neighbors. They all worked together to get their crops in. Supper was usually leftovers from dinner. After supper or before, it was time to light the coal oil lamps & John would spend the evening resoling shoes, repairing harness, whatever was needed till bedtime. Having four daughters before having sons was very difficult for a farmer. John Richard & Robert Johnathan, the twins were only 13 when they had to quit school to help. They worked in the mines, by 16 they had left to work in the wheat fields of Kansas. The farm just could not support so large a family. A doctor diagnosed John Edward as having tuberculosis in his 60's. Nothing was known of lead poisoning at that time. His children did not accept this idea of tuberculosis as their father was an outdoor man. They suspected that he had inhaled wheat chaff & his lungs had become infected. Nevertheless he became so thin & weak with the years & was finally bedridden. The families were summoned to say goodbye. His & Julia's bedroom was dimly lit with oil lamps & one night each & every son & daughter was well as their spouses & their children were each called one by one to go into the bedroom where he lay. To each & every one, one by one John whispered his blessing & each left back to his own bed. By morning he was gone. The body was lovingly washed & the undertaker came. He asked the two oldest boys - the twins - who were 33 by then to help him "let blood" to prepare the body for the funeral. It was too much for John Richard - & Robert helped. John walked around & around the outside of the house, once peeping in the window but he could not get up the courage to assist. He never forgot the shame he felt for not being able to help. The sons then took the mattress that John had lain on out to the orchard. They set it on fire in case he did have TB. The flames leaped high in the air & was quite an eerie sight in the night sky. The casket with John Edw. was put in the parlor & the room kept very dim & cool. One by one his family came in with their children to pay their last respects & visit him in memory. At night they took turns, one by one sitting with him all night. Never was he alone. The third day all the families & their children dressed in their very best got into their cars & followed a big black hearse to the Baptist Church for a service then again to the cemetery. The line of cars was long & slow & as the many cars passed a field, a horse was so startled it ran & ran along the fence it's mane flowing in the wind. It was a strange sight. The sons were the pallbearers & the grand daughters were flower bearers each carrying a spray to the grave sight. It was a sad day as their dear father, husband, grandfather, friend was to be no more. A family dissolved. He was so loved, respected, so admired. Back at the house, neighbors had come in & prepared a meal & had brought cakes & pies beyond belief, showing their compassion for the Turners. Somehow no one had ever asked John Edw. about his mother & father or any of his family. He might have said something but no one ever remembered or wrote it down. More likely the younger ones forgot to ask the older brothers & sisters who too have gone to rest.
(*) corrections from James
Turner Harris: There is a story told by Virgil's wife's family (is this Virgil Ray Turner and his wife Dorothy E. IVES' family being mentioned?) that John Edward was seen coming into the area sitting on the back of Joshua Caffee's wagon & that he was "mighty good lookin". He was supposed to have lived & worked for Joshua Caffee who had a log cabin with a dirt floor. Joshua Caffee came to Missouri as he was avoiding the law in Tennessee. He had been caught bootlegging & had to leave in a hurry. Note: The "old story" was that Josh Calfee was run out of Tennessee by 1879 but the 1880 census clearly shows him living in Cocke Co., Tn. near Leadvale or Bybee and FARMING in 1880. I will show in the 1900 census where I think there is evidence that the Calfee's came to Wash. Co., Mo. circa 1884 or 1885 and John Edward was more like 20 or even 21. One problem I have had and my late cousin (Esther Lorene Turner Schoop - a dau. of John Richard & Alta Marie Mathew Turner) had is that we have not been able to identify John Edward Turner in the 1880 census and also his brother Robert who was a year older than him and who may have stayed in Tennessee. The is another part of the story about returning to Tn. and John Edward not being able to find work and Josh getting his family and leaving on a train ... that is oral tradition and I will not dispute it but I cannot confirm it either)
The 1900 census states
that Sina (1883) Calfee - I have always heard that Josh
called "Caffee"was born in TENNESSEE and William (1884)
Calfee was born in MISSOURI. Until I started my
genealogical research, I took all the story's as 100%
fact but research has found that basically they were
true but the details got distorted over the years.
I am suggesting that John Edward Turner was about 20 or
21 when he came with Josh Calfee to Mo. and that the
year was probably more like 1883 or 1884 instead of the
legend of 1879. I do not doubt that he may have
went back to Cocke Co., Tn. between 1884 until 1889 when
he married Laura E. Jenkins and that he came back
because of lack of work. Who knows. I just know that
their is strong evidence to show he did not come to Mo.
until about 5 years after the oral traditions says he
did.
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Later Joshua Caffee owed John Edward $100 or $150 & deeded the Clear Creek field of 40 acres to John Edw. in a land abstract. This was known as the Old Highly place above Pierce's. There is a remembered story that John Edw. told of himself . He returned to his home in Tennessee when he was 18 years old & as he was walking across Eads Bridge [St. Louis], his brand new hat blew off into the water below. John Edw. was 30 years old when his first wife died & left a two year old daughter to care for. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Note: see comments above ... if John returned home, then he would have been about 24 years old and not 18. Even in John's day, where would a 18 year old sort of orphaned, poor boy get money to probably take a train back to Tennessee. To me it just does not make any sense. If he worked for Josh Calfee and earned some money, then he would have the means to do such a feat. Just my educated opinion and based on research and not just on oral tradition.
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He met Julia Elizabeth when they were both working
the stock farms near Belgrade. She was 21 years old
& pregnant. There was 10 years age difference.
They married & raised both girls same as the rest.
John Edw. was 31 years old before he started his
family with Julia. He
was 56 when his last child was born.
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John Edward was b.
10/15/1863 and my mother was the last of the 16 kids
and she was b. 3/20/1917 ...
that would make John Edward Turner 53 not 56 years
of age. Minor but important point. Accuracy
can be accounted for here.
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John Edward's appearance when he was young was
rather dark complexion, black curly hair, real dark
brown eyes & a slim build, tall in comparison to
most other men of that time. 5' 10".
He was thought to have French
& Indian heritage. His grandmother was said to be a
full blooded Cherokee Indian. The French & Indian
was no doubt his mother. When he
had the twins he &
Julia bought a farm from Julia's brother James
William [Turner] & his wife Elsie (Robinson)
near Belgrade for $400. This was on top of a hill
later named Turner Mountain on the Missouri maps.
This farm as remembered was well set back off the
road & they built a low wall of "cave" rock that
everyone brought in from the creeks or river beds
near there. Through the gate & across broad grassy
yard, under a huge walnut tree & into a screened
front porch. Through the door & into a big kitchen
that was where all the family sat & did evening
chores & children studied till bedtime. There was a
door to the left off the porch that led to a small
parlor where there was a printed rug & leather sofa
& chair & a pump organ against the wall. Only the
minister was invited in there.
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Note: Oral tradition
says that this line of Turner's had Indian blood in
their veins. In all of my research, I have not found
one trace of evidence to substantiate this claim. I
do know for a fact that JOHN
EDWARD TURNER'S MOTHER WAS PRISCILLA FOX A DAUGHTER
OF ABSALOM FOX AND ELIZABETH "BETSEY" REED. I
found one source claiming that Priscilla's name was
Priscilla White Cloud Fox but there was no
documentation to prove that point and also e-mails
to the source went unanswered.
There is talk amongst
Cocke Co., Tn. researchers that "FOX" was a line of
Indians or had Indian in their ancestors but no hard
data to prove that. One of my 1st "blood TURNER"
cousins ... a direct male descendent of John Edward
Turner did a DNA test and here are the results.
E3b This haplogroup is believed to have evolved in the Middle East. It expanded into the Mediterranean during the Pleistocene Neolithic expansion. It is currently distributed around the Mediterranean, southern Europe, and in north and east Africa.
I have contacted another direct descendent of John Edward Turner's great uncle (brother to John's father) and this person also took a 37 marker DNA test - that will definitely confirm whether there is blood relationship or not but not to what degree - and this gentleman in Tn. also came up with the haplogroup type of E3b. ... In my opinion, just an educated guess, the dark coloring comes from this Mediterranean origin and probably not from Indian yet "the Fox line" remains unknown except that supposedly they came to Tn. from N.C. at some point in time.
There is no doubt at looking at a photo of John E. Turner (1863) and the one of his father John E. Turner (1838) and one of a descendents of John (1838) brother ... there is a "dark, swarthy type complexion" shown and also a tendency towards a full head of dark hair ... except John E. (1863) did not get that gene evidently
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Note: this part is
entirely incorrect .......
he & Julia bought a farm
from Julia's brother James William [Turner] & his wife
Elsie (Robinson)
if John Edward did indeed buy land from the husband of Elsie May Robinson, then he would have bought it from James William Bellfield Sr. who was a brother to Lucinda Frances Bellfield who married Richard Todd Turner Sr. who were the parents of Julia Elizabeth Turner. I have no proof of said transaction but I do have the marriage records and almost all the lineage of the Turner family back to 1830.
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Note: see my changes,
additions etc. to the org. below the org. and mine
are in RED.
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Children:
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Well that is about all I am going to suggest to change regarding your posting. All of my suggestions are either factual, historical or such. I do not have any story's to add but I can say that what Terry gave re: description of Hilltop fits right on with my recollection of staying there in the 50s and early 60s. I remember mom talking about having to sleep at the foot of the bed since she was the youngest and in her case they slept three to a bed. Also, she talked about the tin roof and especially when it rained. If I remember correctly, mom said the girls slept in one room and the boys in another ... no sheet but that may have been later. The house was built at least in two stages. The part to the left in the painting contains the original log cabin - I saw some of the beams myself - and the part to the right which contained the cookstove was a later addition. That is all I know. I know there is a big room over each part and there is a way to go between them ... mom called it the "cubby hole" and even as late as 1976 and 1993 or so I went through it myself while Mrs. Kaye Wyrick owned it ... I think she still does. Mom said the boys had to get up in the morning and start the fire in the cook stove which was the only heat in the house for years and years ... maybe not until the 70s if I remember correctly. Also mom talked about newspaper on the walls to cover the cracks so air could not get in. The best one I remember though is about the cook stove. Juanita had moved out and either was working near Camp Rankin (?) or went to St. Louis where Louise was ... not sure but one morning when Juanita had come back for a visit (?), she started the fire in the cook stove. Mom said there was a box of pine knots kept by the stove to get the fire started ... then you put the "kindling" in next. Well, Juanita just loaded the stove up with knots and when grandma Turner (d. in 1941 abt. 22 days before I was born) came in the room ... that old cast iron cook stove was cherry red and "dancing" on that wood floor. Supposedly grandma Turner said some thing like this "girl, how long have you been gone. Have you forgotten how to start a fire in the stove properly. You may or might (not sure here) burn this old wood house down." Sounds funny but to an old wood house with no real water around ... very dangerous. Thanks again Esther for all you have done. You have put a lot of hard work and many hours into this project I can tell. I for one appreciate it. God Bless you jim |