Johann Peter Ziock ~Born in Mailand, Germany or Milan, Italy?????

The marriage record of Johann Peter Ziock gives his birthplace as "Mailand".  I was told by another Ziock relative that this meant Milano, Italy.  However Manfred Moersner found a place in Germany named Mailand so now it is uncertain which place Johann was born ~ Mailand, Germany or Milan, Italy.   Horst Lerner has now found information that Peter Ziock was from Milano, Italy.  Please see correspondence below:

 

Hallo Esther M. Ziock Carroll, - - - - Meanwhile I found also the website you placed in internet. You say there that  one of the Ziock was from Mailand. Since there was also one from Milano that will most probably be the one in Italy, but only to leave no possibility out, there was also a place called Mailand in Germany. My book lists it as a Wohnplatz which would translate into "living place". You can understand this usually as a group of houses somewhere in the forests or countryside.   Mostly it was a farm, sometimes a postal station, sometimes an old cloister with a few surrounding houses. The german place Mailand had 96 inhabitants in 1957.  You could find it between Niederhofen and Unterzeil (1 km distance to Unterzeil). They all belong to Reichenhofen. If you locate Memmingen and follow the street towards Lindau (at lake Bodensee in southwest Germany) there  should be Leutkirch about 15 km from Memmingen. 1 km northwest of Leutkirch was Mailand,  it's swallowed today together with several other surounding places by Leutkirch  The state it belongs to is Baden Wuerttemberg.  If you only want to search in germany use www.google.de and select there   "Seiten aus Deutschland", a helpful site for tranlating many of the old words is  http://dict.leo.org/ which translates back and forth English/German, It's a german website, simply enter your word in the upper left field and click on "Suchen"  Mit freundlichen Gruessen  -  Manfred [Moersner]


Dear Esther,  it can be assumed that Peter Ziock immigrated to Germany coming from Italy (?) or somewhere else. The name "Ziock" does not exist in Italy and did not 250 years  ago.To me it seems to be clear that the original name was "Ciocco", with a pronouciation very similar to  Ziock. This means: Ciocco was renamed to a name fitting better to the German language. When this has happenend exactly and where must be found out. Most of "Cioccos"  today live  and in the past lived in Switzerland: Graubünden, Gruyère, situated at the italian border!  These emigrants were called "the Welsch" from Bünden; they were thousands. Most of them were artisans, e.g. masons, lithotomes, painters and  - why not -  glasers.  This is just one trace  into your personal past and without a promise of success. If you kwow more: Please let kwow about it. You find the Cioccos in the Phone-list of Switzerland and in the Mormon' s records. By the way, the old Lerners lived in Switzerland, too. But more about that maybe later.  Your' sincerely   Horst

Well, what I think is:   Mailand in Germany just is something like a cowshed - we have to find the Cioccos either in Milano (60 km from Mesocco) or in St. Louis: Just before your front door!!    For this evening, greetings, Horst


Hi Esther,  Meanwhile I got access to the records of Blankenstein. Now it is clear: Peter's  origin is Milano (Italy). Mediolanensis is clerical Latin and means:  He is or was a citizen of that town. On the church yard I found the oldest grave:  Dr. med. Rheinen, *1805. Maybe he treated some of the Ziock - who knows?  Interesting: the tomb of the Porbecks. There is a village in near Hattingen called Porbecke. It existed already in  the 9 th (!)  century.  Attached: the highlights of the week, so far, Horst 

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Pictures of St. Johannes Baptist Catholic Church - Blankenstein

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